Atheists Don’t Exist

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Atheists do not give themselves enough credit for achieving such a high level of certainty while announcing definitively that God does not exist.  One can only assume that such a revelation could only be put forth if the entire universe had been painstakingly searched for the presence of a deity.  That the vastness of time and space had been conquered.  And knowledge of every dimension had been accrued and analyzed.

Of course, the atheist hasn’t really accomplished any of this.  Nor has he considered the overwhelming amount of evidence provided by science, history, philosophy, and logic.  Much of the time, they avoid accepting the burden of proof by claiming that they simply lack a belief in a God and positing that it’s the theist’s job to change their (the atheist’s) mind.  Sadly, debating from a position of weakness.

But where does this certainty come from?  Isn’t “God doesn’t exist” an incredibly bold claim, considering how easily the notion can be debunked?  From his book, The Answer to the Atheist Handbook, Romanian minister Richard Wurmbrand, who was imprisoned for his Christian beliefs by communists in 1948, discusses the folly of such atheist assertions:

“Atheists assert that there is no God.  How can they be sure?  The book you are reading was conceived in prison.  The guards regularly searched our cells for forbidden objects . . . They did not find them.  We waited until they had left.  Then we took them out of their hiding places.  You search a cell for an object and you do not find it.  But is it right to maintain that it is not there?  Who has searched the infinite universe to ascertain that there is no God?”

But what if it could be true? What if an atheist could attain this kind of knowledge?  Then we have a different problem.  For argument’s sake, he has somehow traversed the far reaches of the universe, in search of a deity.  Having achieved knowledge of all time and space.  And searched every dimension, momentously finding it lacking a Good Good Father.  Wouldn’t that person adorned with special attributes and abilities such as these, in fact, be God?

Clearly, a material being does not exist that could accomplish what atheists claim because they are not equipped for the job.  This being would have to be eternal and all powerful so as not to be constrained by time and distance.  He would need to be immaterial and limitless in order to constantly observe all of reality simultaneously in the event that, like Wurmbrand’s guards, the deity might reappear when the atheist left any particular corner of the universe.

So one needs the characteristics of God to know definitively that God does not exist.  Who has the characteristics of God?  Answer:   only God.  Crunch!  The atheist’s premise is promptly crushed under it’s own weight.

No, the intellectually honest atheist cannot be an atheist at all.  The best defense he can muster would be to claim that the evidence of God is unconvincing or the God’s existence is unknowable.  Taking the person from atheism to agnosticism.  The philosopher Alvin Plantinga refers to this when he said:

“. . . lack of evidence [for God], if  indeed evidence is lacking, is no grounds for atheism.  No one thinks there is good evidence for the proposition that there is an even number of stars; but also, no one thinks the right conclusion to draw is that there are an uneven number of stars.  The right conclusion would instead be agnosticism.  In the same way, the failure of theistic arguments, if they indeed fail, might conceivably be good grounds for agnosticism, but not for atheism.  Atheism, like even-star-ism, would presumably be the sort of belief you can hold rationally only if you have strong arguments or evidence.”

The honest agnostic cannot confirm or, more importantly, deny the existence of a Good Good Father.

God bless.

 

 

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12 thoughts on “Atheists Don’t Exist

  1. You’ve been looking for something that doesn’t exist. Many, many people have been looking for something that doesn’t exist. Every day you wake up, there is not one piece of evidence that this thing exists. Nothing. Zero.
    Time to conclude that this doesn’t exist, wouldn’t you say? Time to stop being so gullible, so stupid?

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  2. This argument comes in all shapes and sizes but let’s take on your spin of it. If you argue the atheist needs evidence to conclude there is no god, otherwise he is an agnostic- then you would have to apply that to the theist. Without evidence the honest theist must admit there is a chance that god does not exist. The theist is therefor an agnostic based on your argument.

    Richard Wurmbrand had a book that he knew existed but, based on your argument, no one can really know if a god exists. That’s where the argument falls apart. You are comparing something we know is true and something we are not sure is true. -You can tell me a god is under your bed, I could look and be satisfied that there is no god under your bed. You could counter that he is invisible, or the size of a spec of dust or similar claim. Again, you are making a claim and telling me since I don’t have adequate evidence of the contrary, I must atleast believe your claim could be true. I don’t buy that.

    As I mentioned above, atheists come in many flavors. I have a friend who has been “atheist” all her life. She doesn’t go through life with the belief “there is no god”, it just isn’t part of her thought process. (Go back to the god under the bed scenario)

    Atheists don’t exist? Based on your argument, theists must not exist either.

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    1. First off, thank you for your thoughtful comment. Since I do not have conclusive proof, I do admit that there is a chance that God does not exist. Maybe most apologists you run into do not admit this. But this admission does not mean I am agnostic because I have seen evidence through science, history, philosophy, and logic that has convinced me otherwise. The atheist, in my experience, makes their claim because they say evidence does not exist. Well, I think it’s more that the evidence they see in creation is to them unconvincing or they simply don’t like it. One of those. Still, it’s evidence. It’s existence isn’t based on opinion.

      Regarding Wurmbrand’s book, the point wasn’t that Wurmbrand knew it existed. The point was that the guards denied it existed even though we now know it does. It’s here for you to read. It’s actually very good. If you would have asked the guards then, they would have denied it’s existence based on their ability to find it. But the evidence was there for them to find. Once published, if they had the opportunity to hold it in their hands, how could they deny it? Someday, you may find this to be the case with God. He was there all along.

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      1. Thank you for your response. I’m a big proponent when it comes to what people believe. If you believe in something ( a god, yourself, inspiration thoughts) and it makes you a better person, I’m all for it. After debating the atheist/theist arguments for the last few years I can some it up like this:

        The theist is no more capable of proving a god than the atheist is capable of proving there is no god.

        The debates will always be a lesson in futility. I find if the theist/atheist spends time learning about world religions and the history of religion/theism, they spend less time posting innuendo about what others believe.

        I have no interest in any god other than in the academic sense

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  3. Nobody I know goes looking for something that they believe doesn’t exist. Someone would look for something they know exists and is lost or look for evidence of something they think might exist. But your premise seems to be if you can’t find something, it doesn’t exist? Then your comment infers that you have better information than myself and millions of other believers in the world, but yet you provide none of this information. Hmmm. See, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for the existence of God. Based in science, philosophy, history, logic (stuff on this site or will be on the site soon :)). However, you may be confusing the word evidence with conclusive proof which can only be achieved in a material environment. What kind of evidence would convince you that there may be something beyond our naturalistic world? An authority greater than yourself?

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  4. An atheist is a person who holds no affirmative beliefs in the existence of gods. There’s nothing about atheism that means an atheist must believe a specific god doesn’t exist. Gods are unfalsifiable and unprovable by design. With respect to specific gods, atheists who subscribe to scientific methods of enquiry will be technically agnostic. Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Agnosticism about the existence of a specific god does not imply a 50/50 probability. For me it means that based on the available evidence I can proceed with functional certainty contingent on any new and convincing evidence.

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  5. Atheists do not assert that God does not exist. Your definition is wrong. That would be a knowledge claim beyond both atheists and theists alike.
    Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or gods. Nothing more. To say what you have said, that atheists assert that God does not exist, is incorrect and if you continue to declare it to be the case, you are knowingly “bearing false witness”. You should be careful of the consequences ” aall liars have their part in the lake of fire” Revelation

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    1. “A” meaning not. “Theist” meaning a person who believes in a god. Apparently my Webster’s dictionary didn’t get the memo. Neither did the blogger notabilia who was the first to comment on my article and deny God exists. Respectfully, this “lacks a belief in a God or gods” comes across, to me, as a fear to take a side and defend your stance. I mean, you do have a point of view, right? See, Dawkins doesn’t write bestsellers about non-beliefs. Atheist bloggers don’t blog about non-beliefs. Nor do Atheists enter debates to defend their non-belief. And, despite your pleas to the contrary, there are atheists who do declare that a God does not exist. Are these guys not in the club? Are they part of a different denomination?

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      1. please save your passive aggressive, not funny jokes. atheism is an answero one question, that of belief in a god or gods. agnosticism is the answer to whether one claims to ‘know’ whether a god or gods exist. they are two sides of the same coin, just from different questions. and no matter how hard you try to force people to ‘prove the negative’ of anything, it’s just not honest. stcik to your burden of proving that the biblical go exists.

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      2. Atheist comes from Greek (Atheos- without god(s)) Webster may have it as Atheous. The term was used as a derogatory term against those who did not hold a belief in any gods. It was also used by the pagans toward Christians who did not believe in the pagan gods.

        That being said, sure, an atheist can take a stand and state a god does not exist, so what? There are Christians who are not omnipresent, omnipotent, omnicient but claim without a shadow of a doubt there is indeed a god. Dawkins wrote about a spectrum of theistic probability here:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

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      3. “That being said, sure, an atheist can take a stand and state a god does not exist, so what?”

        My point is that people should not enter a debate then claim that they do not have an opinion. Then they wait for someone with a point of view to provide evidence for their case. Since they refuse to make a claim, they just sit there and say, “not good enough”. FYI I don’t think what I said above describes you. You seem willing to put forth an argument and I appreciate that.

        Furthermore, the Christians who believe without a shadow of a doubt . . . I don’t know bout those guys. If they exist, it may take the majority of a lifetime for a believer get there. Might sound silly to you, but I know I have to work on my faith constantly, even though it is based on evidence and personal experience.

        Also, thanks for the link. Hadn’t seen that one before.

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      4. In the past, what happened to me, someone will bring up religion or a god (or God) and start talking to me about it. I tried to keep my responses basic or just listened but when pressed about religion or belief in a god, I would be honest with my answer and say that I do not believe in a god or do not follow any one religion. As soon as I say that, the other person (generally in disbelief) suddenly enters a debate with me. I really do not wish to debate because I think we are all free to believe what we want. I don’t want to convince someone that their belief is wrong and I don’t want someone telling me my belief is wrong. (After all, no one really knows how the world came to be, no one can prove if there is or isn’t a god, it is a lesson in futility)

        So in the above discussion, I am pushed to defend my “position”.

        I go from not really having an opinion to having to create an opinion.

        It’s not like I started the conversation but after getting the 3rd degree about not believing in a god, I start pressing the theist for his proof/evidence. If there was proof, we wouldn’t be sitting here debating it. ….

        I tell you this because this is what most atheists go through at some point in their lives. I always hear Christians complain that their beliefs are under attack but that’s how I feel just by living each day as I normally do, minding my own business without a religious belief.

        In debates, you will find that people will defend the existence of God as absolute. I can understand you have to constantly work on your faith all the time, I am pretty much the same. While it is not faith as you describe, I try to adhere to some of the precepts of Buddhism. even outside of Buddhism, I just try to be a good person. I try to help others and think of ways to make my life, as well as others better. I’m not buddhist but am into World religions and if any religion or world view can give me lessons on being a better person, I will go with it. Sorry about the long winded reply.

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